Legislature(2021 - 2022)BUTROVICH 205

03/28/2022 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY

Note: the audio and video recordings are distinct records and are obtained from different sources. As such there may be key differences between the two. The audio recordings are captured by our records offices as the official record of the meeting and will have more accurate timestamps. Use the icons to switch between them.

Download Mp3. <- Right click and save file as

* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
= SB 34 STATE-TRIBAL EDUCATION COMPACT SCHOOLS
Moved CSSB 34(JUD) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
SB 214 LIABILITY: SOCIAL MEDIA CENSORSHIP
Heard & Held
HB 157 APOC; REPORT REFERENDA/RECALL CONTRIBUTOR
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
        HB 157-APOC; REPORT REFERENDA/RECALL CONTRIBUTOR                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:53:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND  announced the consideration  of CS FOR  HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO. 157(FIN) "An Act requiring  the disclosure of the identity of                                                               
certain persons, groups, and nongroup  entities that expend money                                                               
in support  of or  in opposition  to an  application filed  for a                                                               
state referendum or recall election;  relating to the location of                                                               
offices  for  the  Alaska  Public   Offices  Commission  and  the                                                               
locations at which certain statements  and reports filed with the                                                               
commission  are made  available; relating  to the  duties of  the                                                               
Alaska  Public  Offices  Commission;  clarifying  the  limits  on                                                               
making,   accepting,   and   reporting  certain   cash   campaign                                                               
contributions; relating to campaign  finance reporting by certain                                                               
groups; increasing the time the  Alaska Public Offices Commission                                                               
has to respond to a request  for an advisory opinion; repealing a                                                               
reporting  requirement  for  certain contributions;  relating  to                                                               
contribution limits  and recall  campaigns; and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:53:59 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SARA RASMUSSEN,  Alaska State Legislature, Juneau,                                                               
Alaska, paraphrased the sponsor statement.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     House  Bill  157  moves   the  statutory  boundary  for                                                                    
     disclosing certain contributions  and expenditures from                                                                    
     those  made   to  influence  a  referendum   or  recall                                                                    
     election to an earlier  point in the statutory process.                                                                    
     It  will  require  the reporting  of  certain  campaign                                                                    
     finance   activity   prior   to   the   collection   of                                                                    
     signatures. This will  align both the recall/referendum                                                                    
     reporting requirements with  reporting requirements for                                                                    
     ballot initiatives.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Aligning   reporting   requirements   will   help   the                                                                    
     electorate  make  informed  decisions,  impose  varying                                                                    
     requirements based  on type and level  of advocacy, and                                                                    
     otherwise embody  the features  that the  Ninth Circuit                                                                    
     identified  in  electioneering   disclosure  laws  that                                                                    
     survive exacting scrutiny under the First Amendment.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     According to Legislative  Legal, "this bill's expansion                                                                    
     of   disclosure   requirements   in  the   recall   and                                                                    
     referendum   context  will   likely  survive   a  First                                                                    
     Amendment challenge."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill  157 will streamline  reporting requirements                                                                    
     to  regain  and  maintain  the public's  trust  in  our                                                                    
     election process.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:55:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CRYSTAL KOENEMAN, Staff, Representative Sara Rasmussen, Alaska                                                                  
State Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, presented the sectional                                                                      
analysis for HB 157 on behalf of the sponsor.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1:  AS 15.13.010(b)   Applicability  related to                                                                    
     State   Election  Campaigns.   Adds  language   to  the                                                                    
     applicability  section that  state the  chapter applies                                                                    
     to  contributions,   expenditures,  and  communications                                                                    
     that are  made to influence the  nomination or election                                                                    
     of a  candidate. And for  the purpose of  influencing a                                                                    
     ballot  proposition or  question or  for supporting  or                                                                    
     opposing   and   initiative    proposal,   recall,   or                                                                    
     referendum.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2: AS  15.13.020(j)     Alaska Public  Offices                                                                    
     Commission. Removes the requirement  for an APOC office                                                                    
     to be located in each Senate District.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:56:11 PM                                                                                                                    
     Section  3: AS  15.13.030    Duties of  the commission.                                                                    
     Removes  the  word  "ALL"  from  the  phrase  "examine,                                                                    
     investigate,  and  compare [all]  reports,  statements,                                                                    
     and actions required by this chapter."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  4-8:   AS  15.13.040(b),   15.13.072(b),  and                                                                    
     15.13.074(e).   Clarifies    that   contributions   and                                                                    
     expenditures  are in  a calendar  year instead  of left                                                                    
     open ended.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  5:  AS   15.13.050(a)     Registration  before                                                                    
     expenditure.  Adds  language regarding  referendums  or                                                                    
     recalls  to  the  statute   that  requires  persons  to                                                                    
     register with APOC prior to making an expenditure.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section  6:  AS   15.13.065(c)     Contributions.  Adds                                                                    
     language related to  referendum and recall applications                                                                    
     to what is included in the definition of proposition.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:57:22 PM                                                                                                                    
     Section  9:  AS  15.13.110(e)      Filing  of  Reports.                                                                    
     Rewrites  the language  related to  those receiving  or                                                                    
     making expenditures  to support or  oppose referendums.                                                                    
     This language  is identical  to the  language contained                                                                    
     in  AS 15.13.040(k)  for  ballot proposition  reporting                                                                    
     requirements and AS  15.13.110(g) for ballot initiative                                                                    
     reporting requirements.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10:  AS 15.13.110    Filing of Reports.  Adds a                                                                    
     new  subsection  (k)  for  those  receiving  or  making                                                                    
     expenditures  to  support  or  oppose  a  recall.  This                                                                    
     language is  similar to Section  4 of this bill  and AS                                                                    
     15.13.040(k)    for   ballot    proposition   reporting                                                                    
     requirements and AS  15.13.110(g) for ballot initiative                                                                    
     reporting requirements.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     (This  is   the  conforming   language  to   align  the                                                                    
     recall/referendum   reporting   requirement  with   the                                                                    
     ballot  props  and initiatives.  Section  12    14  are                                                                    
     modify  definitions to  include  the  new language  for                                                                    
     recall and referendums.)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:58:09 PM                                                                                                                    
     Sections   12-14:   AS    15.13.400(4),   and   (7)                                                                        
     Definitions.     Modifies     the     definition     of                                                                    
     "contributions"  to include  groups and  referendum and                                                                    
     recall   applications,  modifies   the  definition   of                                                                    
     "expenditures"   to  include   referendum  and   recall                                                                    
     applications,  and modifies  the definition  of "group"                                                                    
     to include referendum and recall applications.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Sections  15-16: AS  24.45.091 Publication  of reports.                                                                    
     Provides  for publication  of reports  and archives  of                                                                    
     statements and  reports to be  posted on  their website                                                                    
     as  well  as  have  copies  available  at  the  central                                                                    
     office.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section  17:  Repeals  AS 15.13.040(k).  Provides  that                                                                    
     recall applications  are subject to  group contribution                                                                    
     limitations whereas referendum applications are not.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section  18:  Uncodified  law.  States  that  this  Act                                                                    
     applies only  to referendums or recalls  that are filed                                                                    
     on or after the effective date of this Act.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 19: Provides for a January 1, 2022 effective                                                                      
     date.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:59:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS referred  to Section 6, page 4,  lines 29-30, which                                                               
would exclude  recall applications and recall  questions from the                                                               
reporting requirements. He asked  why the bill treats initiatives                                                               
and referenda differently from recall petitions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.   KOENEMAN   responded   that   this   section   deals   with                                                               
propositions,   so  there   is   a   difference  between   ballot                                                               
propositions,  initiatives,  and  recall  petitions.  It  clearly                                                               
states what is included within that ballot proposition.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:00:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  offered his view  that it was  a good bill  on the                                                               
whole.  He referred  to Section  8 on  page 5.  He recalled  that                                                               
before the bill, the maximum amount  for a cash contribution to a                                                               
campaign was $100  in the last 18 months, and  this changed it to                                                               
a  calendar year.  He asked  whether, hypothetically,  a campaign                                                               
could take in twice as much cash from an individual.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RASMUSSEN answered  that  this lines  it up  with                                                               
what was  previously the $100  cash limit to keep  parity between                                                               
candidates  on  the cash  rule.  Obviously,  that may  have  been                                                               
challenged  by  recent  APOC  and  Judiciary  announcements.  She                                                               
anticipated that Ms. Koeneman could expand on that ruling.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:02:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. KOENEMAN related her understanding  that APOC has interpreted                                                               
the  statutes  as a  calendar  year  because the  statutes  don't                                                               
identify a  date, so  APOC's practice will  not change  under the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:02:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL noted  that while limits on  cash contributions are                                                               
important, he  did not  believe the  difference between  $100 and                                                               
$200 increases the risk for  corruption. He directed attention to                                                               
Section  10,  lines  24-25,  related  to  a  committee  or  group                                                               
supporting  or  opposing a  recall  of  a  public official  in  a                                                               
statewide  election,  or  a recall  application  filed  under  AS                                                               
15.45.480.  He  asked why  it  would  apply  to both  because  AS                                                               
15.45.480  includes  the  governor  and  lieutenant  governor  in                                                               
statewide elections.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:03:31 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  RASMUSSEN  offered  her belief  that  this  would                                                               
apply  to legislative  candidates  and  statewide elections.  She                                                               
recalled  that the  House floor  debated about  whether to  apply                                                               
this  to  statewide  elections  but  decided  all  statewide  and                                                               
legislative candidates should have similar reporting rules.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:04:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL acknowledged that he had missed that aspect.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:04:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER  stated that  he would review  the bill  to ensure                                                               
that nothing  was missed in  terms of reporting  requirements. He                                                               
echoed Senator Kiehl's assessment that HB 157 is a good bill.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:05:47 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RASMUSSEN  offered her willingness to  examine the                                                               
bill  to identify  any provisions  that need  to be  updated. For                                                               
example,  it  might be  appropriate  to  consider some  reporting                                                               
requirement  dates.  Currently,  individual campaigns  must  file                                                               
reports in the middle of  the legislative session. However, these                                                               
reporting requirements  coincide with  the budget  process. After                                                               
discussing this  with APOC,  the commission  agreed that  some of                                                               
those reporting  dates could be adjusted  to achieve transparency                                                               
but not interfere with legislative budget deliberations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:05:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND held HB 157 in committee.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB157 Sectional Analysis 021522.pdf SJUD 3/28/2022 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/1/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 157
HB157 Sponsor Statement 033121.pdf SJUD 3/28/2022 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/1/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 157
HB 157 Fiscal Note.PDF SJUD 3/28/2022 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/1/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 157
HB 157 Legislative Legal Memo 3.31.21.pdf SJUD 3/28/2022 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/1/2022 3:30:00 PM
HB 157
SB 214 Sponsor Statement 2.28.22.pdf SJUD 3/28/2022 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/10/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 214
Legal Memo 2-17-22.pdf SJUD 3/28/2022 1:30:00 PM
SSTA 3/22/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 214
SB 34 Amendment G.1.pdf SJUD 3/28/2022 1:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB 34 Amendment G.2.pdf SJUD 3/28/2022 1:30:00 PM
SB 34
SB 34 Amendment G.3.pdf SJUD 3/28/2022 1:30:00 PM
SB 34